http://www.wikichristian.org/wiki/en/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Delrosso&feedformat=atom WikiChristian - User contributions [en] 2024-03-28T10:51:39Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.32.1 http://www.wikichristian.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Talk:Original_sin&diff=143060 Talk:Original sin 2006-12-05T21:48:58Z <p>Delrosso: </p> <hr /> <div>{{discussion}}<br /> <br /> <br /> There was a lot more to the original sin than the act of just eating the fruit from a tree that God said not to eat from,and then receiving God's punishment being banished from the garden and from his presence. The reason that God made this rule was because of what lived in the second heavens, the kingdom of Satan and all of his army. They were banished from the third heavens, where God lives because of Satan's sin against God, PRIDE! Because of Satan's hatred and jealousy towards God, his way of revenge was to tamper with the very thing that was precious to God, his creation. He wanted access to it and have it worship him instead of God. God's one rule was evidence of his love for his creation, it was his way of keeping them safe. Because of their disobedience, that other kingdom now had access to their spirits, now having the knowledge of evil! They now knew what shame and fear was,and they hid from God (Genesis 3). God teaches us in 2 Timothy 1:7 that fear isn't just our own thoughts, but a spirit that didn't come from Him, and it speaks to us lies from Satan's kingdom. God asks in Genesis 3:11, &quot;WHO told you that you are naked?&quot; That &quot;WHO&quot; was an evil spirit from the second heavens that now had access to Adam and Eve, God's creation. They had given Satan a legal right to enter because of their disobedience. Here is where our struggles exist today in our lives. Jesus came and died on the cross for us, and because that &quot;sin nature&quot; that lives in us didn't live in him, He became our substitutionary atonement and paid the debt we owed for our sins, that we couldn't pay ourselves. He broke the legal right that the satanic kingdom has over us. The work was all done for us, but our job is we need to appropriate in our lives. Salvation is a &quot;FREE GIFT&quot; from God that gives us authority over the enemy, but God says we need to work it out,take that authority and kick the enemy out of the areas of our lives where he is occupying. Fear is a spirit that can only cohabitate with you if YOU give it a legal right to talk to you by coming into agreement with it. You have to repent to God for agreeing with it(which was sin because fear is the opposite of faith and God says anything that is not of faith is sin Romans 14:23) then renew your mind with God's truths from his word. The enemy's authority in our lives only comes when we believe his lies and don't know the truth of God's word that defeats him. Isaiah 5:13 says &quot;Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge:&quot; We are taken captive because we just didn't know! 2 Corinthians 10:4-6 tells us to take the enemy's thoughts captive, measure them against the bible, and I love verse 6,&quot; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, WHEN your obedience is fulfilled!&quot; WOW!!! When the enemy tries to exalt itself against the knowlege of God,we are to revenge it and destroy it, and kick it out of our thinking process and actions. Hosea 4:6 says &quot;My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee...&quot; This freedom from the works of the enemy in our lives is a free gift from God, all we have to do is appropriate it. Depression, fear, bitterness, unforgiveness, envy, strife, rejection, performance, driveness, resentment, sef-hatred, torment, etc are all things in our lives that haven't come from God, but from the other kingdom whose main purpose is to kill steal and destroy our lives. But Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy, and his mission is to give us life that is abundant! It all started in the garden of Eden, Jesus conquered it's power on the cross, now our job is to walk it out in our lives. The choice is ours! {{unsigned|Delrosso}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> <br /> I'm not sure I follow your line of thought Delrosso. Also I have trouble understanding what you mean by second heaven and third heaven - it all sounds a bit strange to me. You should let me known what you mean by second and third heaven in [[Talk:Heaven/discussion]]. --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 16:08, 15 November 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> <br /> ''Add comment here''Muser, this is DelRosso.I responded to your question under talk/heaven discussion.God bless.<br /> {{returnto}} [[Original sin]]</div> Delrosso http://www.wikichristian.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Talk:Heaven&diff=143059 Talk:Heaven 2006-12-05T21:41:18Z <p>Delrosso: 3rd heavens response from (original sin discussion)</p> <hr /> <div>I will explain what I mean Muser.{Although the main point of my discussion was that our battles are spiritual,and God has equipped us to have victory over the enemy now,and not wait to be healed and free when we get to heaven}.<br /> 1st heaven=what we see in the natural<br /> 2nd heaven=where satan's dominion is(and demonic forces)<br /> 3rd heaven=the throne of God<br /> Here's why.....<br /> 2Cor12:2-4 Paul knew a man in christ that was caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (Paradise)into the presence of God. The greek word for heaven here is #3772 in strongs(ouranos).It meansheaven as the abode of God.<br /> Heb4:14 and 1Peter3:22 tells us that Jesus Christ,our high priest,has passed through the HEAVENS and is now sitting at the right hand of Father God in heaven. The greek word for heaven here is also (ouranos).<br /> So Father God and Jesus now reside in the THIRD heavens.Because scripture tells us about the third heaven,there must be by reason of deduction a first and second also.I believe the first heaven is what we see in the natural.So what about the SECOND heaven?The bible doesn't call it by name,but I believe it describes it to us.<br /> Isa14:12(KJV) Lucifer(Satan)fell from HEAVEN where he led worship and was in God's presence.(Hebrew for heaven=#8064 in strongs.<br /> Eph2:2 says Satan is the prince of the power of the AIR now.Air=(aer) in the greek signifies the atmosphere.(found in Vines dictionary).<br /> Eph6:12 &quot;For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES.&quot; High Places in the greek=#2032 epouranois.Vines dictionary says these high places are of those whose sphere of activity or existence is above,or in contrast to that of the earth,principalities and powers. I take that to mean that they aren't up as high as God,because they were kicked out of the third heaven,but they are higher than the earth(our natural first heaven). That is what I believe is the second heaven.<br /> Eph3:10 talks about the principalities and powers in HEAVENLY PLACES.The greek word here is also (epouranios #2032 in strongs).It means ABOVE the sky(our natural 1st heaven),celestrial,in heaven,high.I believe this is the second heaven.<br /> 2Cor10:5&quot;Casting down imaginations,and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowlege of God...&quot; HIGH here is strongs #5313(hupsoma),meaning an elevated place,altitude.<br /> I could keep going on with more evidence from the word to support what I believe,but I hope this gave you something to think about.I would rather talk about more important issues that affect our walk with the Lord.I wrote the original article about the original sin because since I've learned more about spiritual warfare and how to walk in my authority as a child of God,God has shown me how to defeat the real enemy in my life,and develop more intimacy with Him. I was hoping that it would help someone else too.God showed me one reason that my prayers weren't being answered was because I had given the enemy a legal right to be there in my life,and after I defeated him,then my answers would come.I can tell you I am now free of chronic back and neck problems,am off every medicine that i was on for my thyroid,and the list goes on.If we don't know how to fight our enemy and know how he works in our lives,we get frustrated and blame God.As I have shared what God has been doing in my life,Ive found many people were unaware of how the enemy was deceiving them too.Now that they are learning,they are getting victory in there lives too.I'll be interested in your thoughts.</div> Delrosso http://www.wikichristian.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Talk:Original_sin&diff=104984 Talk:Original sin 2006-11-15T18:58:37Z <p>Delrosso: It started in the garden but ended at the cross,freedom is ours for the taking</p> <hr /> <div>There was alot more to the original sin than the act of just eating the fruit from a tree that God said not to eat from,and then receiving God's punishment being banished from the garden and from his presence. The reason that God made this rule was because of what lived in the second heavens,the kingdom of Satan and all of his army.They were banished from the third heavens,where God lives because of Satan's sin against God,PRIDE! Because of Satan's hatred and jealousy towards God,his way of revenge was to tamper with the very thing that was precious to God,his creation.He wanted access to it and have it worship him instead of God. God's one rule was evidence of his love for his creation,it was his way of keeping them safe.Because of their disobedience,that other kingdom now had access to their spirits,now having the knowledge of evil! They now knew what shame and fear was,and they hid from God.(Genesis 3)God teaches us in 2Timothy1:7 that fear isn't just our own thoughts,but a spirit that didn't come from Him,and it speaks to us lies from Satan's kingdom.God asks in Gen3:11,&quot;WHO told you that you are naked?&quot; That &quot;WHO&quot;was an evil spirit from the second heavens that now had access to Adam and Eve,God's creation.They had given Satan a legal right to enter because of their disobedience.Here is where our struggles exist today in our lives.Jesus came and died on the cross for us,and because that &quot;sin nature&quot; that lives in us didn't live in him,He became our substitutionary atonement and paid the debt we owed for our sins,that we couldn't pay ourselves.He broke the legal right that the satanic kingdom has over us.The work was all done for us, but our job is we need to appropriate in our lives. Salvation is a &quot;FREE GIFT&quot; from God that gives us authority over the enemy,but God says we need to work it out,take that authority and kick the enemy out of the areas of our lives where he is occupying. Fear is a spirit that can only cohabitate with you if YOU give it a legal right to talk to you by coming into agreement with it.You have to repent to God for agreeing with it(which was sin because fear is the opposite of faith and God says anything that is not of faith is sin Romans 14:23)then renew your mind with God's truths from his word.The enemy's authority in our lives only comes when we believe his lies and don't know the truth of God's word that defeats him.Isaiah5:13 says&quot;Therefore my people are gone into captivity,because they have no knowledge:&quot; We are taken captive because we just didn't know! 2Cor10:4-6 tells us to take the enemy's thoughts captive,measure them against the bible,and I love verse 6,&quot;And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience,WHEN your obedience is fulfilled!&quot; WOW!!!When the enemy tries to exalt itself against the knowlege of God,we are to revenge it and destroy it,and kick it out of our thinking process and actions.Hosea4:6 says&quot;My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:because thou hast rejected knowledge,I will also reject thee...&quot; This freedom from the works of the enemy in our lives is a free gift from God,all we have to do is appropriate it.Depression,fear,bitterness,unforgiveness,envy,strife,rejection,performance,driveness,resentment,sef-hatred,torment,etc. are all things in our lives that haven't come from God,but from the other kingdom whose main purpose is to kill steal and destroy our lives.But Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy,and his mission is to give us life that is abundant!It all started in the garden of Eden,Jesus conquered it's power on the cross,now our job is to walk it out in our lives.THe choice is ours!</div> Delrosso