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==A snarky summary of the Bible==
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''The Bible'' is the most popular fantasy novel ever written. The first main character is a stuttering, orphaned, Jewish murderer named Moses, who was raised by the Egyptian royalty.  He leads a resistance and eventually escapes Egypt with his people, and then wanders around the desert for a while, and after he dies his people go on to create Israel without him. He told people that he followed a god that was their god now, and they had to follow him or else.  This god was so special because Moses said he created the Earth some two thousand years before, over a seven day period.  Then his god put people on the earth, starting with a guy, then eventually giving him a wife.  They [[Fun:Original sin|ate a fruit]] when Moses' god told them not to, so he decided they should suffer and die by being kicked out of the paradise he made for them.  Since there was no more paradise, this made carnivorous animals start to eat other animals, all because of us.<ref>  Now godless [[Paleontology|paleontologists]] imagine they've found evidence of carnivorous animals eating other animals before humans existed.  That shows how ignorant and evil paleontologists are. They contradict the Bible.  Wait a moment.  The Bible's fantasy fiction.  So paleontologists aren't evil after all.
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The Trinity is the unique teaching of Christianity about the three-yet-one nature of God. It is one of teachings that makes Christianity unique among other religions, and although impossible to fully comprehend, the doctrine can be summarised by the following:
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* There is one and only one God
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* The one God eternally exists in three distinct persons
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* The Father is God, [[Jesus]], the Son is God, and the [[Holy Spirit]] is God
  
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Vegetarians are so ashamed of this, that they stopped eating other animals.</ref>  The only people worth talking about at this point were inbred from this first couple. Later, an alcoholic named Noah built a boat because Moses' god told him to.  Then that god told him to collect two each of the billions of species on Earth.  Once all the species were collected, that god then drowned everything and everyone else because they pissed him off.  Then Noah and his wife got down to another round of inbreeding, and all modern humans are inbred cousins through them.  Within a few more thousand years all the different races of humanity had diverged, and all the plants, animals, and insects, etc. had repopulated the earth, bringing us back to the main plot line.  A bunch of crappy stuff happens to the Jews, until a new main character is introduced.
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The word "Trinity" is not found in the [[Bible]]. It was first used in writing by [[Theophilus of Antioch]] around 180 A.D. as a way of expressing the triune (three-yet-one) nature of the one God that is revealed in the Bible, which does use the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
  
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The new character is called [[Fun:Jesus|Jesus]], whose mother was a virgin, and who is supposed to be his own dad (no, really!).  He came along and told people that they should believe in him, because he was the only way into this awesome new paradise in Heaven, where animals don't eat each other any more.<ref>Vegetarians rejoice!</ref>  He proved all this, and that he wasn't faking, by doing magic tricks for any people who would stop and listen to him.  Then some hateful Jews came along and got him killed, because they thought his teachings were hate-speech, and had to be destroyed.  Then he goes on to an underworld full of pain and suffering.  However, a few days later he crawled back out, and this now-zombie Jesus rolled away a rock and scared two poor innocent women, then joined the poor saps he had tricked, and had them poke fingers in him, and told spooky stories about the afterlife.  He reiterated that everyone had to believe in him or they wouldn't make it to the happy afterlife.  After this, Jesus crawls up to heaven, and his poor saps are left on Earth without him, just waiting for a new main character to lead the way.
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==='''Scriptural References To The Trinity'''===
  
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===Previous snarky summary===
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A number of passages in the [[Bible]] refer directly to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Perhaps the most popular fantasy novel ever written.  Wait a moment --  Moslems think the [[Koran]] is better!  Anyway, the main character, Jesus (a zombie who was his own father) was born of a virgin. He came to tell mankind that they should believe in  him or he will punish them for eternity in hell ( a dark hot place underground).  To prove that he is not just faking he did magic tricks for the people who would listen to his speeches.  He told people that the earth was create 8 thousand years ago, over a seven day period.  He put two people Adam and Eve on earth.  They ate an apple when he told them not to, so he decided they should suffer and die by being kicked out of paradise.  All of mankind is their inbred descendants.  Later an alcoholic named Moses built a boat because God told him to.  God then told him to collect two of the billions of species on earth in just a few days.  Once all the species were collected, God drowned everything, and everyone else because they pissed him off.  Then Moses and his wife got down to the inbreeding.  Within a few more thousand years all the different races of humanity had diverged, and all the plants animals, insects etc. had repopulated the earth.  Then some filthy Jews escaped Egypt and wondered around the desert for a while before making Israel. Jesus was born the filthy Jews killed him, he went to hell and laughed at all the people that were sent there came back to life as zombie, and told everyone spooky stories about hell. Then he went to heaven a (happy place up in the sky) the end.
 
  
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==References and notes==
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* [[Matthew 28:19]] - {{Bible verse|Matthew|28|19|lang=WEB}}
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* [[Luke 1:35]] - {{Bible verse|Luke|1|35|lang=WEB}}
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A number of verses also show that Jesus was God.
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* [[John 1:1]] and [[John 1:14]] - {{Bible verse|John|1|1|lang=WEB}} {{Bible verse|John|1|14|lang=WEB}}
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* [[John 5:21]] - {{Bible verse|John|5|21|lang=WEB}}
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* [[John 8]]:23-24 - {{Bible verse|John|8|23|lang=WEB}} {{Bible verse|John|8|24|lang=WEB}}
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* [[John 8:58]] - {{Bible verse|John|8|58|lang=WEB}} ''([[Jesus]] is speaking in reference to when [[God]] told [[Moses]] to tell the Hebrews "I am has sent you" in [[Exodus 3:14]])
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* [[John 10:30]] - {{Bible verse|John|10|30|lang=WEB}}
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* [[John 10:38]] - {{Bible verse|John|10|38|lang=WEB}}
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* [[1 John 5:20]] - {{Bible verse|1 John|5|20|lang=WEB}}
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* [[Titus 2:13]] - {{Bible verse|titus|2|13|lang=WEB}}
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* [[Colossians 2:9]] - {{Bible verse|colossians|2|9|lang=WEB}}
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* [[Philippians 2]]:5-6 - {{Bible verse|philippians|2|5|lang=WEB}} {{Bible verse|philippians|2|6|lang=WEB}}
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===Etymology===
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The word trinity is derived from the [[Latin]] ''tri-unitas'' which literal means "three unity".
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===Difficulties in Understanding===
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Throughout the history of the church objections have been raised to the teaching of the Trinity, but the doctrine has stood as a central feature of orthodox Christianity despite this.
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The following folk story illustrates the difficulties in understanding the Trinity.
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: ''It has been said that when the church father [[Augustine of Hippo|Augustine]] wrote a treatise about the Trinity he encountered a little boy walking along the seaside. The boy appeared to be scooping water from the sea in a little basin at the beach and Augustine asked him what he was doing. The boy answered: "I want to sccop the sea in my pond," to whicch Augustine responded: "You will never succeed." But the boy replied: "I'm doing the same thing as you: You want to understand the mystery of the triune God with your human mind."''
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The teaching of the Trinity was clearly articulated in the [[Nicene Creed]] of [[325 AD]].
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Historically many religions have been critical of the doctrine of the Trinity. The [[Quran]] has numerous quotations questioning and denying the Trinity and it is an issue that many Muslims exploring Christianity find to be barrier.
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Recently numerous off-shoot religions related to Christianity have formed that deny the Trinity. These includes religions such as the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]].
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'''Trinity Analogy'''
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It seems that the best way to think of what the Trinity is, are in the terms of an analogy. It should be what we already have observed to be present and accepted.
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If the Trinity is to be recognized as how God Is, should there be some evidence of this conceptually and perceptually in our world today?? Creation should logically mimic its’ Creator in some way, should it not??
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The following is accepted without question in the realm of science:
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'''Space''' - which is made up of height, width and depth. height is Space but it is not width or depth. Width is Space but it is not height or depth. Depth is Space but it is not height or width. All three when separate, height, width and depth are Space and when combined is Space.
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'''Time''' - which is made up of past, present and future. Past is Time but it is not present or future. Present is Time but it is not past or future. Future is Time but it is not past or present. All three when separate, past, present and future is time, and when combined is Time.
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'''Matter''' - which is made up of solid, liquid and gas. Solid is Matter but it is not liquid or gas. Liquid is Matter but it is not solid or gas. Gas is Matter but it is not solid or liquid. All three when separate, solid, liquid and gas are Matter, and when combined is Matter.
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If the above is correct why are there so many objections to the conceptual and perceptual knowledge of the Trinity?? Is it illogical??
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When:
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The Christian '''God''' – which is made up of '''Father, Son and Holy Spirit'''. Father is God but He is not Son or Holy Spirit. Son is God but He is not Father or Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is God but He is not Son or Father. All three when separate, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is God, and when combined is '''GOD'''.
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Why is the logic of the Trinity rejected when the exact same logic is universally accepted by science when referencing space, time and matter??
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==Quotes==
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'''[[Justin Martyr]]'''
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: "We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" ([[First Apology]] 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).
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==Video==
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Also see [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM Trinity Explained by Ravi Zacharias]
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==Links==
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* [http://trinities.org/blog trinities] A blog by a Christian philosophy professor devoted to recent and past theories about the Trinity
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*[http://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_Trinity Holy Trinity] by OrthodoxWiki
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*[http://www.contenderministries.org/biblestudy/trinity.php A Comprensive Defense of the Trinity]
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* [http://www.catholic.com/library/Trinity.asp Early Church Fathers on the Holy Trinity]
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* [http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar107.htm One God in Three Persons], by Dr. Bill Weinrich
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* [http://www.aomin.org/trinitydef.html A Brief Definition of the Trinity], by James White
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* [http://www.ucg.org/booklets/WG/ Who Is God?]
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* [http://biggergod.com/trinity.html Understanding The Trinity], by Matt Perman
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* [http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/god_trinity.php The Doctrine of the Trinity]
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* [http://www.jude3.net/trinitylinkindex.htm Articles On The Trinity]
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* [http://web.archive.org/web/20031229035144/www.modernreformation.org/mr99/septoct/mr9905threeinone.html The Splendor of the Three-in-One God: The Necessity and Mystery of the Trinity], by R.S. Clark
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* [http://www.tmch.net/theo4.htm The Being of God, The Character of God, The Trinity], by Paul D. Adams
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* [http://reformedperspectives.org/newfiles/joh_frame/TH.Frame.Trinitarian_Analogies.html Trinitarian Analogies], by [[John Frame]]
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* [http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/trinity.htm The Trinity Doctrine] Heaven Net
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The Trinity is the unique teaching of Christianity about the three-yet-one nature of God. It is one of teachings that makes Christianity unique among other religions, and although impossible to fully comprehend, the doctrine can be summarised by the following:

  • There is one and only one God
  • The one God eternally exists in three distinct persons
  • The Father is God, Jesus, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God

The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible. It was first used in writing by Theophilus of Antioch around 180 A.D. as a way of expressing the triune (three-yet-one) nature of the one God that is revealed in the Bible, which does use the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Scriptural References To The Trinity

A number of passages in the Bible refer directly to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

  • Matthew 28:19 - Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
  • Luke 1:35 - The angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be called the Son of God.

A number of verses also show that Jesus was God.

  • John 1:1 and John 1:14 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
  • John 5:21 - For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom he desires.
  • John 8:23-24 - He said to them, "You are from beneath. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."
  • John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM." (Jesus is speaking in reference to when God told Moses to tell the Hebrews "I am has sent you" in Exodus 3:14)
  • John 10:30 - I and the Father are one."
  • John 10:38 - But if I do them, though you don't believe me, believe the works; that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
  • 1 John 5:20 - We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
  • Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ;
  • Colossians 2:9 - For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
  • Philippians 2:5-6 - Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Etymology

The word trinity is derived from the Latin tri-unitas which literal means "three unity".

Difficulties in Understanding

Throughout the history of the church objections have been raised to the teaching of the Trinity, but the doctrine has stood as a central feature of orthodox Christianity despite this.

The following folk story illustrates the difficulties in understanding the Trinity.

It has been said that when the church father Augustine wrote a treatise about the Trinity he encountered a little boy walking along the seaside. The boy appeared to be scooping water from the sea in a little basin at the beach and Augustine asked him what he was doing. The boy answered: "I want to sccop the sea in my pond," to whicch Augustine responded: "You will never succeed." But the boy replied: "I'm doing the same thing as you: You want to understand the mystery of the triune God with your human mind."

The teaching of the Trinity was clearly articulated in the Nicene Creed of 325 AD.

Historically many religions have been critical of the doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran has numerous quotations questioning and denying the Trinity and it is an issue that many Muslims exploring Christianity find to be barrier.

Recently numerous off-shoot religions related to Christianity have formed that deny the Trinity. These includes religions such as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Trinity Analogy

It seems that the best way to think of what the Trinity is, are in the terms of an analogy. It should be what we already have observed to be present and accepted.

If the Trinity is to be recognized as how God Is, should there be some evidence of this conceptually and perceptually in our world today?? Creation should logically mimic its’ Creator in some way, should it not??

The following is accepted without question in the realm of science:

Space - which is made up of height, width and depth. height is Space but it is not width or depth. Width is Space but it is not height or depth. Depth is Space but it is not height or width. All three when separate, height, width and depth are Space and when combined is Space.

Time - which is made up of past, present and future. Past is Time but it is not present or future. Present is Time but it is not past or future. Future is Time but it is not past or present. All three when separate, past, present and future is time, and when combined is Time.

Matter - which is made up of solid, liquid and gas. Solid is Matter but it is not liquid or gas. Liquid is Matter but it is not solid or gas. Gas is Matter but it is not solid or liquid. All three when separate, solid, liquid and gas are Matter, and when combined is Matter.

If the above is correct why are there so many objections to the conceptual and perceptual knowledge of the Trinity?? Is it illogical??

When:

The Christian God – which is made up of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Father is God but He is not Son or Holy Spirit. Son is God but He is not Father or Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is God but He is not Son or Father. All three when separate, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is God, and when combined is GOD.

Why is the logic of the Trinity rejected when the exact same logic is universally accepted by science when referencing space, time and matter??

Quotes

Justin Martyr

"We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

Video

Also see Trinity Explained by Ravi Zacharias

Links


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