Talk:Politics, the Church and the Government/discussion
I have a personal belief that religion and politics should not mix. I believe that the use of Christian belief in politics is wrong. Religion is personal and should only be shared in a worship environment. I am interested in other peoples views?
User:Draig goch20 15:20, 24 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Why do you believe this? Your religious beliefs affect your entire life surely? If because of his religious beliefs, a politician believes, for example, that gambling is wrong, then by your logic, how should he vote if there is a bill to legalize gambling? I don't see why he shouldn't be able to follow his conscious and vote against the bill... I definitely disagree with your opinion. A politicians should be able to follow his religious beliefs in his working life. If the people don't like it, then they can vote him out of office. I believe that God calls us to live Godly lives in our personal lives as well as in our public and work lives.
User:Muser 23 July
Politicians are known to lie, they are awful liars and they enjoy making money out of wars and death. It is ok for themselves to be Christians, but to use Christianity within the Right to me is abominable. If you people can find an honest politician who follows the Christian religion and uses it in politics as a real benefit then please give me his name.
In my country, which is obviously Wales, the politician is in my opinion, a worse liar than Satan, and that is saying something isn't it.
Draig goch20 17:35, 12 Aug 2005 (PDT)
Your argument doesn't make any sense at all. It's not just politicians that lie. Ordinary people lie too. And to say politicans are worse liars than Satan is absurd - how can anyone begin to argue against these sort of ridiculous statements?! Graham
I do not think that the American way of church and state separation (which is, BTW not the only way of separation of church and state, France does it as consequently but in a very different manner) is the only real or possible way.
I come from the Swiss Reformed tradition, and there it has since the reformation been firmly agreed upon that the church corrects the state (e.g. misbehaving politicians) and the state corrects the church (e.g. misbehaving priests) and this worked pretty well (actually the Swiss reformation could not have taken place, otherwise). Reformers John Calvin and Huldrych Zwingli had no state office but were both very active in politics and Zwingli's successor Heinrich Bullinger when elected into office by state officials, made a stipulation before taking up his office, that he'd be free to criticize the state (and its officials) from the pulpit. In the Reformed Church of Berne such mutual critique of church and state has been part of the constituency until the 20th century. --Irmgard 04:38, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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