Talk:Grace

"Only through Jesus Christ"

I can't edit this article. The clause: It is only through faith in Jesus Christ, in his death and resurrection, that we can return to God. is imo a little misunderstanding. First, the cited bible verses doesn't support the "only". Secondly, it is a contradiction to the aforementioned Although nothing we do can restore us to a right relationship with God, God himself restores that relationship. because it says that "our faith" saves us. I would change it to the following. Although nothing we do can restore us to a right relationship with God, his grace himself restores that relationship. Only through this grace to which faith in Jesus Christ is the answer and which is applied (maybe a better word here) through his death and resurrection, we can return to God. It should be also noted that for some not only faith but also works are the human answer to the grace of god. --Benedikt 13:56, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

Yep, I see the contradiction. It's tricky to word well isn't it. I've tried rewording it so that it doesn't contradict and makes sense. Thanks. --Graham grove 14:02, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

Absolutely tricky. It is even more tricky to avoid the justification debate at that point and leave the article open to both sides. The current version is fine, I think. --Benedikt 14:08, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

I agree that the focus shouldn't be on the justification debate in this article. Regarding the justification debate, I think there needs to be room for the various points of view of different denominations at WikiChristian. You'll probably be interested in looking at Wikichristian.org:Page Layout and Statement of Faith - I think that leaves room for Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christians to all contribute, and to leave their own personal opinion articles. --Graham grove 14:17, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

Thanks a lot. You have very good guidelines. Clear and open at the same time. --Benedikt 14:25, 18 July 2008 (PDT)